Страшный ужас

пол ночи не могла уснуть, лучше бы и не засыпала. какой-то тяжелый дурман, вроде не спишь, а все наблюдаешь со стороны. как будто комната живет своей жизнью и затягивает, не выпускает из себя, причем нечто 2мя руками прижимает к кровати и не дает к ребенку подняться. потом полное ощущение, что выпал зуб и я даже ямку в десне ощущаю, а кусочки зуба не могу изо рта выплюнуть, а все вещи которые я беру оказываются снова на своем месте. очень страшное ощущение присутствия непонятно чего, что не дает не проснуться, ни встать, ни сказать. а дочка в кроватке (это уже не сон) металась и плакала во сне. дальше я почему-то оказалась с ней на руках и куда-то бежала, брызгала впереди себя святой водой и кричала "отче наш...", а впереди как вихрь завивался. вынырнула из этого от крика дочки - она во сне кричала. а в голове почему-то слово "бесы" крутилось. что это было? к чему такое сниться? сорри, что так длинно.

Скорее всего энергетическое вторжение. Выкачка энергии страха и пр. Вам нужно сделать чистку квартиры. Как-спросите здесь, много чего могут подсказать. Но лучше пригласите батюшку. К магам-советовать не могу, маги разные бывают. Если пойдете к магу-просите поставить защиту. имхо.

Даже не знаю, как правильнее спросить. А кто? или что делает эту выкачку энергии?

Да все что угодно. У знакомых, например, соседи черной магией занимались, так "брешь пробили" аж до первого этажа. Всем соседям очень плохо было. У меня был сосед-"экстрасенс", тоже всем в подъезде много чего пережить пришлось пока его не забрали в больницу. Элементарная забава-такая, как верчение тарелки и хождение с маятником-только на первый взгляд кажется безобидной. Может открывать такие двери в инфернал, что мало не покажется.

Про тарелочки и прочие вызывання духов я уже тутки весь язык пообила. Але что то я не заметила каб кто нить ети предупреждення слушать стал. Две темы повечные - вызыванне духов и полеты в "астрал". Скока не говори что ето опасно - все равно лезут. При чем погано то что: И то и ето - развлечення чистоводные. Пользы практичной ноль от них. Что б им в Русскую рулетку не поиграть тогда раз ощущений новейших так хочетса?

Да бесполезно это. Такие вещи очень притягательны. Столоверчение и прочее-имхо-"рудимент" :) Есть куда более интересные и ПОЛЕЗНЫЕ вещи: крестиком повышивать, например:) опять же-медитация, концентрация:) Но нет, народ тянется к "неведомому, к астральному". Открыть двери в "нижний астрал"-это фигня, в принципе, а вот закрыть-практически невозможно. И маются люди потом, проблемами и комплексами обрастают. Нафига?

Что думаешь насчет вот этого? : http://www.eva.ru/forum/show?idPost=30192268 Второй день перечитываю, но не уверена-стоит ли вмешиваться.

Чесно? Ни чего не думаю. Щитаеш предупрежденнем? Ну возможно. А мы то что тутки сделаем? За то я те могу точно изложить свои впечатлення от книжки прочтеной ))) Прости не своими словами изложу ))) Думать я возможна согласишса ты со мной что ))) Now Tomlinson gave up the ghost in his house in Berkeley Square, And a Spirit came to his bedside and gripped him by the hair -- A Spirit gripped him by the hair and carried him far away, Till he heard as the roar of a rain-fed ford the roar of the Milky Way: Till he heard the roar of the Milky Way die down and drone and cease, And they came to the Gate within the Wall where Peter holds the keys. "Stand up, stand up now, Tomlinson, and answer loud and high The good that ye did for the sake of men or ever ye came to die -- The good that ye did for the sake of men in little earth so lone!" And the naked soul of Tomlinson grew white as a rain-washed bone. "O I have a friend on earth," he said, "that was my priest and guide, And well would he answer all for me if he were by my side." -- "For that ye strove in neighbour-love it shall be written fair, But now ye wait at Heaven's Gate and not in Berkeley Square: Though we called your friend from his bed this night, he could not speak for you, For the race is run by one and one and never by two and two." Then Tomlinson looked up and down, and little gain was there, For the naked stars grinned overhead, and he saw that his soul was bare: The Wind that blows between the worlds, it cut him like a knife, And Tomlinson took up his tale and spoke of his good in life. "This I have read in a book," he said, "and that was told to me, And this I have thought that another man thought of a Prince in Muscovy." The good souls flocked like homing doves and bade him clear the path, And Peter twirled the jangling keys in weariness and wrath. "Ye have read, ye have heard, ye have thought," he said, "and the tale is yet to run: By the worth of the body that once ye had, give answer -- what ha' ye done?" Then Tomlinson looked back and forth, and little good it bore, For the Darkness stayed at his shoulder-blade and Heaven's Gate before: -- "O this I have felt, and this I have guessed, and this I have heard men say, And this they wrote that another man wrote of a carl in Norroway." -- "Ye have read, ye have felt, ye have guessed, good lack! Ye have hampered Heaven's Gate; There's little room between the stars in idleness to prate! O none may reach by hired speech of neighbour, priest, and kin Through borrowed deed to God's good meed that lies so fair within; Get hence, get hence to the Lord of Wrong, for doom has yet to run, And. . .the faith that ye share with Berkeley Square uphold you, Tomlinson!" . . . . . The Spirit gripped him by the hair, and sun by sun they fell Till they came to the belt of Naughty Stars that rim the mouth of Hell: The first are red with pride and wrath, the next are white with pain, But the third are black with clinkered sin that cannot burn again: They may hold their path, they may leave their path, with never a soul to mark, They may burn or freeze, but they must not cease in the Scorn of the Outer Dark. The Wind that blows between the worlds, it nipped him to the bone, And he yearned to the flare of Hell-Gate there as the light of his own hearth-stone. The Devil he sat behind the bars, where the desperate legions drew, But he caught the hasting Tomlinson and would not let him through. "Wot ye the price of good pit-coal that I must pay?" said he, "That ye rank yoursel' so fit for Hell and ask no leave of me? I am all o'er-sib to Adam's breed that ye should give me scorn, For I strove with God for your First Father the day that he was born. Sit down, sit down upon the slag, and answer loud and high The harm that ye did to the Sons of Men or ever you came to die." And Tomlinson looked up and up, and saw against the night The belly of a tortured star blood-red in Hell-Mouth light; And Tomlinson looked down and down, and saw beneath his feet The frontlet of a tortured star milk-white in Hell-Mouth heat. "O I had a love on earth," said he, "that kissed me to my fall, And if ye would call my love to me I know she would answer all." -- "All that ye did in love forbid it shall be written fair, But now ye wait at Hell-Mouth Gate and not in Berkeley Square: Though we whistled your love from her bed to-night, I trow she would not run, For the sin ye do by two and two ye must pay for one by one!" The Wind that blows between the worlds, it cut him like a knife, And Tomlinson took up the tale and spoke of his sin in life: -- "Once I ha' laughed at the power of Love and twice at the grip of the Grave, And thrice I ha' patted my God on the head that men might call me brave." The Devil he blew on a brandered soul and set it aside to cool: -- "Do ye think I would waste my good pit-coal on the hide of a brain-sick fool? I see no worth in the hobnailed mirth or the jolthead jest ye did That I should waken my gentlemen that are sleeping three on a grid." Then Tomlinson looked back and forth, and there was little grace, For Hell-Gate filled the houseless Soul with the Fear of Naked Space. "Nay, this I ha' heard," quo' Tomlinson, "and this was noised abroad, And this I ha' got from a Belgian book on the word of a dead French lord." -- "Ye ha' heard, ye ha' read, ye ha' got, good lack! and the tale begins afresh -- Have ye sinned one sin for the pride o' the eye or the sinful lust of the flesh?" Then Tomlinson he gripped the bars and yammered, "Let me in -- For I mind that I borrowed my neighbour's wife to sin the deadly sin." The Devil he grinned behind the bars, and banked the fires high: "Did ye read of that sin in a book?" said he; and Tomlinson said, "Ay!" The Devil he blew upon his nails, and the little devils ran, And he said: "Go husk this whimpering thief that comes in the guise of a man: Winnow him out 'twixt star and star, and sieve his proper worth: There's sore decline in Adam's line if this be spawn of earth." Empusa's crew, so naked-new they may not face the fire, But weep that they bin too small to sin to the height of their desire, Over the coal they chased the Soul, and racked it all abroad, As children rifle a caddis-case or the raven's foolish hoard. And back they came with the tattered Thing, as children after play, And they said: "The soul that he got from God he has bartered clean away. We have threshed a stook of print and book, and winnowed a chattering wind And many a soul wherefrom he stole, but his we cannot find: We have handled him, we have dandled him, we have seared him to the bone, And sure if tooth and nail show truth he has no soul of his own." The Devil he bowed his head on his breast and rumbled deep and low: -- "I'm all o'er-sib to Adam's breed that I should bid him go. Yet close we lie, and deep we lie, and if I gave him place, My gentlemen that are so proud would flout me to my face; They'd call my house a common stews and me a careless host, And -- I would not anger my gentlemen for the sake of a shiftless ghost." The Devil he looked at the mangled Soul that prayed to feel the flame, And he thought of Holy Charity, but he thought of his own good name: -- "Now ye could haste my coal to waste, and sit ye down to fry: Did ye think of that theft for yourself?" said he; and Tomlinson said, "Ay!" The Devil he blew an outward breath, for his heart was free from care: -- "Ye have scarce the soul of a louse," he said, "but the roots of sin are there, And for that sin should ye come in were I the lord alone. But sinful pride has rule inside -- and mightier than my own. Honour and Wit, fore-damned they sit, to each his priest and whore: Nay, scarce I dare myself go there, and you they'd torture sore. Ye are neither spirit nor spirk," he said; "ye are neither book nor brute -- Go, get ye back to the flesh again for the sake of Man's repute. I'm all o'er-sib to Adam's breed that I should mock your pain, But look that ye win to worthier sin ere ye come back again. Get hence, the hearse is at your door -- the grim black stallions wait -- They bear your clay to place to-day. Speed, lest ye come too late! Go back to Earth with a lip unsealed -- go back with an open eye, And carry my word to the Sons of Men or ever ye come to die: That the sin they do by two and two they must pay for one by one -- And. . .the God that you took from a printed book be with you, Tomlinson!"

Каrolinka, давай своими словами:)

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Спасибо:) Только мне бы все-же хотелось обычное человеческое мнение о книге прочитанной услышать.

Ну попробую ))) Достойность литературную оценять – с етим не ко мну. Заслишком мало читаю беллетристики. Вобще то затянута на вкус мой одно и тож по несколько раз возвращаетса. Пяток старых концепций типа творення всего из соби самого рая и ада внутри нас «мертвого Бога» и прочего подобна не так уж и плохо перемешать смог. По крайней мере ето не рагу а скорей паштет ))) В целом симпатично здалос не смотря на полное отсутство пользы практичной.

Ага, все поняла.

у меня тоже бывает,что не могу встать с кровати,что-то давит тяжелое

читайте молитву помогает

я тоже поделюсь с вами опытом своим. когда вас давит и пугает читайте молитву.хотя допустим у меня слова вылетали из головы и голос не шел все равно мысленно. было и такое что страх дикий появлялся..тут молитвами не помогало звали знакомую она свечами и еще чем-то убирала.однажды сказала мне что этот наш ужас подпитывает отриц энергетические сущности. и еще от ночных ужасных сновидений может помочь перевернуто зеркальце под матрас